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I feel like waiting for my man to fall of the roof of my room is easier than this
@KratosDad
Salaam all,
What are your plans for preparing for Ramadan 2027?
And what's your tips for surviving Ramadan at work?
It's around 5 months away (LESS THAN HALF A YEAR!).
Me...I book the entire time off if I can...or minimum 5 days off.
@mudassir968467
Hey guys :)))) hope your all having a wonderful sunday evening
A thought about Muzz's incentives 🤔
I've been thinking about something slightly uncomfortable about the economics of marriage apps.
Men on here often complain that women aren't serious. Women often complain that men aren't serious.
But how many serious men and serious women simply never meaningfully encounter each other?
When I open Muzz, I have no idea:
how many compatible women exist within my filters;
how many of them Muzz actually shows my profile to;
where in their swipe stack I appear;
whether they swipe for long enough to ever reach me;
or how premium features affect any of this.
If a woman opens Muzz for 30 seconds while waiting for her coffee, swipes through five profiles and closes it, the sixth man could have been exactly her type. They haven't rejected each other. They've simply never met.
And here's where the business model gets interesting.
Muzz makes money from subscriptions, Boosts, Compliments and repeat users. Someone who meets their spouse quickly and deletes the app is a success story — but they're also no longer a customer. Someone who uses Muzz, pays for things, leaves for a year and then returns is potentially a customer repeatedly.
I recently bought 10 Compliments. Almost immediately afterwards, without doing some massive swipe session, I was shown several profiles I found unusually attractive one after another. I used 3 of my 10 Compliments within minutes.
Coincidence? Very possibly.
But it made me think: a dating app obviously has incredibly useful behavioural data. It can know which profiles receive lots of likes, which profiles I tend to like, and — even more revealingly — which profiles make me spend a limited paid feature such as a Compliment.
So the interesting question isn't whether there's some evil executive sitting in an office saying:
“KEEP THE SERIOUS MUSLIMS APART! HAHAHA!” 🤣
Obviously not.
It's whether the incentives of a matchmaking platform are ever perfectly aligned with ours.
My objective is:
Meet one compatible woman → we like each other → get married → delete Muzz forever.
Muzz necessarily also cares about things like engagement, subscriptions, retention, purchases and people returning to the platform.
Those objectives overlap — Muzz needs real marriages and success stories or nobody would trust the product — but they aren't identical.
And the biggest unknown for me is still incredibly simple:
How widely is my profile actually being shown to compatible women?
Because “I didn't receive a like” and “she saw my profile and rejected me” are NOT the same thing.
Maybe she never opened the app.
Maybe I was profile #37 and she swiped through six.
Maybe Muzz never put me in her stack.
Maybe she would have liked me immediately if we'd met at a singles event and actually spoken for ten minutes.
Dating apps collapse all of those completely different outcomes into the same thing:
nothing happened.
And then we all sit here wondering why the opposite *** isn't serious. 😂
Perhaps somewhere there's a silent population of serious men and women who would actually quite like each other, repeatedly failing to encounter one another while both sides buy Boosts and Compliments trying to find each other.
Meanwhile Muzz:
“Have you considered another Boost? 😇”
🤣🤣🤣
I don't know how Muzz's algorithm actually works, so I'm not alleging that it deliberately withholds compatible/popular profiles to generate purchases. But from a user's perspective, I'd LOVE more transparency about exposure rather than just matches and likes.
How many compatible active users was I eligible to be shown to?
How many was I actually shown to?
How many actually reached/viewed my profile?
Because without knowing that denominator, it's very difficult to know whether Muzz is helping two compatible people discover each other — or whether they simply keep passing like ships in the algorithmic night.
And finally: don't despair, my fellow Muslim love-seekers ❤️
It's entirely possible that there is a large population of genuinely serious men and women on Muzz whose profiles simply never meaningfully reach each other.
We don't know how Muzz's algorithm works, and I'm not questioning Muzz's intentions or alleging that it deliberately keeps compatible people apart.
But do not underestimate the power of incentives.
A matchmaking app exists to help people meet. But it is also a commercial business.
If large numbers of compatible people were consistently and efficiently matched with one another, many would hopefully fall in love, get married and leave the platform.
❤️ Wonderful for us.
💍 Wonderful for Muzz's success stories.
💷 But potentially fewer subscriptions, fewer Boosts, fewer Compliments and fewer repeat users — the many people who leave for six months or a year and eventually come back to give it another go.
Again, I'm not saying Muzz intentionally prevents this from happening. I have no evidence of that.
I'm saying that the commercial incentives of a dating platform and the interests of an individual user may not always be perfectly aligned. That's worth remembering before interpreting your experience of the app as a verdict on yourself or everybody else.
So when men say:
“Half the women on here aren't serious.”
And women say:
“Half the men on here aren't serious.”
Maybe.
But perhaps 50% of Muzz users are NOT here for “time pass”.
Perhaps some of the serious men and serious women simply aren't encountering each other.
A woman who would have liked you might never have been shown your profile. Maybe you were buried deep in a feed she opened for thirty seconds while waiting for her coffee. Maybe you never appeared at all.
Likewise, the man or woman you're looking for may be somewhere on the platform wondering where the hell YOU are. 😂
So take heart, my Muslim brethren. ❤️
Your value is NOT dictated by your likes.
A low match count doesn't mean you're failing to find someone special.
It doesn't mean everybody else is unserious.
And it certainly doesn't mean an algorithm has somehow calculated your worth as a human being.
You are valuable not because of who the system decides to match you with, but because you're you. ❤️
Keep looking. Keep meeting people. Keep living your life.
Muzz is one way two people might meet.
It is not the authority that gets to decide whether you are worth meeting.
And remember: the real world has unlimited Compliments. 😂❤️
Anyway, thanks for reading my long post on the Community feature, which I'm sure was invented purely for our spiritual enrichment and absolutely not to increase engagement. 😇🤣
@imjustbigz
Telling ur wife that u must wear the niqab then her actually acting upon it sounds like a dream come true
@huz88
Salaams 🙂
@1axx
Is there anyone that wants to speak to me? It could be about anything not just necessarily “love.” I’m always here for someone if you can’t express anything to anyone. Please remember that you should never feel ‘trapped’ or ‘secluded’ and there’s always people to talk to when it comes to anything. Asalam wu alaikum fam
@sae123
International members
Getting a lot of messages from people internationally sending what looks like a copied and pasted message asking for marriage, lots of phone numbers shared too…
I wonder is this a regular occurrence for other users both male and female? Is there a way to turn this off?
I want to ask you all something
When you saw that profile. The one from India, East Asia, from Lagos, etc based out of the UK, from somewhere that made you hesitate before you swiped. What exactly happened in that moment. Not what you told yourself happened. What actually happened.
Because I think you know. And I think the knowing is why these posts keep appearing dressed in the language of caution and self protection rather than saying plainly what they mean. People who have genuinely examined their reasoning do not need to dress it up. The dressing up is the tell.
Let me say clearly what I am not arguing. I am not arguing that deception does not happen. It does. People misrepresent themselves. People enter relationships with motives they do not disclose. This is a real thing that has caused real harm to real people and I will not pretend otherwise. If that happened to you it happened to you and nothing I say changes that.
But I need you to understand something about what happened next. What happened next is that an experience with a person became a theory about a population. And that theory is now being passed around this app as wisdom. As something that protects people. As common sense.
It is not common sense. It is the oldest and most available failure of the human mind, which is the refusal to see a person when a category is easier.
And there is a history to this that we are not going to pretend does not exist. That passport. The one at the centre of all this anxiety. It carries the weight it carries because a political order decided it would. Commonwealth citizens were told in 1948 that Britain was their home too. By 1962 that promise was being systematically unpicked.
The people now suspected of wanting British documents are in many cases the grandchildren of people who were told they belonged here and then told they did not. That did not happen in the distant past. It happened in the lifetimes of people who are still alive. To take the document that resulted from that betrayal and use it now as a measure of romantic sincerity, without once asking why it carries the value it does, is not caution. It is the continuation of something that should have ended.
Now I want to say something about the practical reality because some are unmoved by history and I understand that.
The screening does not work. It has never worked. A man born in Birmingham can lie to you with the same completeness as anyone born anywhere else. The things that actually tell you who someone is are not geographical. They are behavioural. Whether what a person says and what they do occupy the same universe over time. Whether their account of themselves holds together across months rather than across a first impression. Whether they bring you toward your deen or away from it. None of that has a postcode.
All of it requires you to actually look at the person in front of you. The nationality filter does not help you do that. It helps you feel like you have done it without the inconvenience of actually doing it.
I want to talk about culture because that is where the more honest version of this concern lives. The quiet fear that two people from different worlds simply cannot find each other. That the references will not land. That the humour will not translate. That proximity of origin is a shortcut to compatibility.
I understand that fear. I do not think it is true but I understand where it comes from.
Here is what I know about culture. It is not the place you were born. It is not the food your mother cooked or the language your grandfather spoke. Those things are part of you but they are not the whole of you and they are certainly not the fixed ceiling of you.
Culture is what you have read and chosen and rejected and fought with and arrived at. It is a living thing not a handed down thing. The person who grew up in India and found their way to the Western Islamic tradition, to its texts and its cadences and its particular understanding of what a life should be, does not belong to the category you have made for them. Neither does the British woman who finds more of herself in the adab of classical Islamic civilisation than in anything the society she was born into produced. These two people would know each other. I am certain of it. The filter would have made sure they never spoke.
And then there are the smaller things. The ones people do not say out loud but feel immediately. The accent. The particular music of a voice shaped somewhere else. The way certain vowels sit differently. The cultural references that land a beat late or not at all. The humour that needs a moment of translation before it arrives.
These things are real. Attraction is not a policy position. Nobody is required to feel something they do not feel and nobody should be made to feel guilty for the specific texture of what moves them. If an accent does not work for you it does not work and that is entirely your business and you do not owe anyone an explanation for it.
But here is the line
Not feeling drawn to someone is personal. Deciding their sincerity is in question because of where that accent comes from is something else entirely. One is the body telling you something about chemistry. The other is a prejudice that has learned to hide inside the language of preference. They feel similar from the inside. They are not the same thing. And the difference matters because one of them is about you and one of them is about the person on the other side of the screen who has done nothing except exist somewhere you have already decided to be suspicious of.
Your instincts deserve better than that. So does the person who sent the message.
And I want to say something about the people being filtered out. Not as a category. As people.
Think about what it actually costs to leave somewhere. To arrive in a country that does not yet know what to do with you. To learn its rhythms and its unspoken rules and its particular way of making you feel that you are almost but not quite belonging. To build something there anyway. To raise children there who will one day sit on an app and read posts suggesting that people like the ones who raised them are probably not here in good faith.
Ask your parents or grand parents. If they came here from somewhere else ask them what that was like. Watch their faces when they answer. And then ask yourself honestly whether the person being screened out on this app, the one who made that same journey and is still standing, is really the liability they are being made out to be. Or whether what they have survived and what they have built out of it is exactly the kind of character you have been hoping to find.
Some of you already know the answer. You watched it growing up. The same suspicion your family absorbed then is alive and well here now. In this language. On this platform. And I think somewhere you recognise it.
Our tradition is not ambiguous on any of this. The criteria are deen and character. They have always been deen and character. Not postcode. Not passport. Not which side of a line someone was born on.
Ibn Khaldun understood that the solidarity which holds a people together, when it turns inward and begins to police its own, destroys from within what it imagines it is protecting. That is what these posts are doing. Quietly. Incrementally. In the name of keeping people safe.
There is a name for what happens when someone tells the truth about their own experience and is not believed because of who they are rather than what they have said. It is called epistemic injustice. The person who says I am here sincerely cannot be believed inside this framework. Their sincerity has nowhere to register. The verdict was reached before they arrived. And the people bearing the cost of that closed system are not the ones being warned about.
No one's asking for anyone's sympathy. Nobody here needs to be reconsidered as a favour.
Whats being asked is for something simpler and more difficult than that. I am asking you to look at the person. Actually look. At what they have built and how they move and whether what they say holds up over time. At whether the life they are describing is one you recognise something of yourself in.
That is the whole of the instruction. It always was.
The deen did not arrive stamped with a national flag.
And the people it shaped came from every direction imaginable.
They still do.
@isam817199
Been looking for a while and I’m turning 30 this month and it feels like I’m not going anywhere with the search